OSCON 2011: Karen Sandler
Karen Sandler (GNOME Foundation)
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Haha cute what i meant was Wow amazing video I’m becoming fan of her,she is really awesome . Damn you , punctuation. [I still suck at it.]
Yes, her awesome is quite admirable.
the same old “heart condition” story in every presentation.
good for emotionally conditioning people to use open source software.
Wow amazing video I’m becoming fan of her awesome .
play deus ex 3, enjoy!
Free is always nice. But I think the key is transparency that matters the most.
Some day someone is going to do for software quality what Stallman has done for software freedom. When they do, Gnome and much other Gnu software is going to be hit very hard, because for all the bug fixing, for all the eyes on the code, the design quality is still piss-poor.
I’m sorry to hear the quality of medical implant software is so poor, but there is no way in hell I would run my heart on Gnome or even glibc.
Gnome 3: Nice to look at, a nightmare to use..
Yes, but…. Who is going to develop pacemakers or any other software dependant hardware if their source code should be open (which shows a lot of how hardware works), and can easily be “improved”?
I definitely agree. What I don’t agree with is the Stallman “everything has to be free or else I will not use it” way of thinking. Not that you expreced that view.
im so in love with you karen sandler
THINK OF THE CHILDREN (btw I wouldn’t give that gnome to my children, they should learn how to use the command line first).
Nobody has suggested that a proprietary browser will kill you.
I think we all agree that the importance of having freedom varies with the importance of the task. She observes that PCs are becoming more important in our lives, which means that freedom on our PCs becomes increasingly important.
If free software is desirable, which you agreed that it is, and we have no reason *not* to have it, then I conclude that software should be free. “Should” doesn’t mean “must in order to survive”.
Sure. I totally agree with you on that one. But what I’m trying to say is that on software in your body it’s essential to have the source code. It’s not essential on the desktop. I don’t die if my browser crash.
@paldepind
My point is that FOSS is important for the same reasons in medical devices and on desktop computers. If a proprietary program matches the requirements, FOSS could be considered an unnecessary, non-essential luxury in both cases; but for any worthwhile task performed by software, it’s important to have the freedom to verify that the program is working correctly and to ensure that it continues to work as the requirements change.
Me and Adobe definitely don’t agree. IMO Flash should just disappear. There’s no reason for it’s existence. But my point is that it has nothing to do with it being free. Yes FOSS gives everybody the freedom to improve software. But it will not necessarily happend. Lots of free software is utter crap.
@paldepind
Free software gives people the freedom to make the program run on new platforms and to modify its features. That’s why I dragged it in. It’s great for you that you and Adobe happen to agree 100 % on how the program should work right now, but that is often not the case (see Stallman’s printer story).
First of all. I’m not talking about alternatives to Flash in any way and I have no idea why you dragged that into the discussion. When I said necessary I meant necessary to me. It is not necessary for me that Flash is FOSS.. Also open sourcing Flash would not magically make it less power hungry and available on more platforms. That is about features. And that is not what I’m talking about. I am talking about freedom. Software licenses.
I definitely did not state that she claimed that it is necessary for all software to be free. What I really wrote was that she says that all software should be free.
Alternatives to Flash are necessary for video if you’re running any other platform than the ones Adobe currently happen to feel like supporting, or if you have any requirements that don’t align with their business interests (such as being able to keep video around for offline viewing or using a player that doesn’t deplete the battery in 1,4 seconds).
Unless you mean “necessary [to sustain life]“, but then most rights aren’t. Even having a computer at all is a luxury.
Well, she doesn’t claim that it is necessary everything to be running FOSS, but that it would be better.
This is an absolutely brilliant video. I have been interested in free and open source software in quite some time now, but I have never really thought of the possibility that someone’s life can depend on software to such an extent. I mean, if I were one of the developers writing that piece of proprietary software, I can safely say for myself, that I could hardly find comfort if a person dies because of a bug in my code. Opening up the code will make this much less likely of course.
paldepind: at ~13:05 she says “we don’t know what is going to be important, we don’t know what our lives are going to depend on”. I think that her point is that even the smallest library could find itself used in the development of a pacemaker and it is important that it can be examined, reviewed and fixed by a community of developers who are interested in that device.
Her argumentation is flawed. She states that she want the software in her body to be FOSS (which is reasonable because her life depends on it) and in the end concludes that all software should be free. She jumps to that conclusion without further explanation or argumentation.
For a desktop computer FOSS is not an essential right. It’s a luxury. I watched this video with proprietary software (flash). I would have preferred it to be FOSS. But it’s not necessary.
She cares about the source code, but not about the actual hardware and how it’s built?
Typical Linux retard.